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Hip and Thigh: Smiting Theological Philistines with a Great Slaughter. Judges 15:8

Monday, June 13, 2011

Evolutionary Priestcraft

Over at the On The Box site, I have been tussling with some heathens in the comments of this post. Their responses to my challenges give me the clear impression they are youngish, naïve, and epistemically out-of-touch.

One of them writes,

Is this where you pretend Atheists have some sacred text that they hold fundamental in order to be insulting without addressing anything of meaning?

Young atheists these days like to pretend they have no allegiance to any philosophical authority. They are “free thinkers” and as “free thinkers” they are beholden to no person or “ism” anywhere in the world.

The reality, however, it that atheists do participate in a complex religious system.

- Charles Darwin is the messiah figure. He is the deliverer who has provided a way to be liberated from the enslavement of “autonomous stifling” religious tyranny.

- Evolution, descent with modification over millions of years, is the religious system.

- Darwin’s On the Origins of the Species is the sacred text. The final “revelation” that provides the foundation for certain belief.

- There is a papacy, a succession of pope figures, the bulk of which are British: Thomas Huxley, Bertrand Russell, and the current head, Richard Dawkins.

- The atheist pope issues decrees, makes dogma, speaks ex cathedra, and pronounces fatwas against the enemies of the true faith.

- Religious orders exist: Punctuated Equilibrium and slow, gradual descent with modification.

- There are well-known evangelists: Carl Sagan, Christopher Hitchens.

- Para-science ministries: PBS and Discovery Channel.

- Inquisitors: National Center for Science Education.

- Schismatics: Biologos.

- Heretics: Discovery Institute, AiG, CMI.

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15 Comments:

Blogger Man of the West said...

I long ago concluded that the overwhelming majority of atheists are simply intellectual hooligans. I have yet to meet one, either in person or online, exhibiting anything but utter and generally vastly uninformed contempt for any variety of religious thinking whatsoever.

In short, they're not interested in truth. They just want to chuck rocks at the church windows.

8:26 PM, June 12, 2011  
Blogger Escovado said...

@ Man of the West: Ditto!

9:00 AM, June 13, 2011  
Blogger Ron (aka RealityCheck) said...

In short, they're not interested in truth. They just want to chuck rocks at the church windows.

And we know why…

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" Romans 1:21,22

But I have to remind myself that if not by the Grace of God I would be just as foolish.

9:10 AM, June 13, 2011  
Blogger Dusman said...

Spot on as usual. You ought to see the nonsense arguments used by these secular hooligans in the YouTube Channel of brother Sye's second open-air preaching video. One guy (who is a Christian) came in and called it like he saw it presuppositional style and it shut the young punks down. I get the same response on the street when open-air preaching or doing evangelism. I ran into three of them last week. They are so stupid about basic logic, history, and worse, they DON'T CARE that they are stupid, as long as they can make up reality as they go. "For we also were once foolish ourselves . . ." Titus 3:3

11:21 AM, June 13, 2011  
Blogger Sir Aaron said...

I've often wondered why Atheists feel the need to evangelize, much less abide by any morals. I never argue about the existence of God. They look at a skyscraper and try to tell you that it came into being over thousands of years as tenants slowly added floor after floor. The idea is ridiculous and arguing over it doesn't advance anything. I've always argued: You know there is a God and this is what He has said. Believe it or don't.

6:48 PM, June 13, 2011  
Blogger David said...

Following this example, can't you claim that any organized human activity or cultural phenomenon is a "complex religious system"? Can't we go through this same exercise for the Republican and Democratic parties (identify "sacred texts", "popes", etc.) Or how about a given style of music or art? Or any field of science, medicine and engineering?

Does this mean that all of these are complex religious systems? So what's the point here?

8:32 PM, June 13, 2011  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

David writes,
Does this mean that all of these are complex religious systems? So what's the point here?

Yes.

The point is quite simple as I noted at the front of my post: Atheists have this mistaken notion that they are not beholden to some transcendent reality. That they are not spiritual. The fact of the matter is they are, because they are created in the imagine of God, just as the Bible proclaims.

They may vehemently deny any religious spirituality on their part but that is because they labor under the delusion that they aren't a spiritual being.

The fact that men make their political philosophy the meaning of life, or their evolutionary philosophy the meaning of life, clearly demonstrates a personal religious organization on their part.

5:23 AM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger David said...

Yes.

Yes?

Engineering is an organized religion? What about, say, baseball? Baseball also has its pope, evangelists, sacred documents, etc.

I understand the point that you are trying to make, but I think that your methodology is flawed. Your metric is not of much value if one wishes to determine if X is a "complex religious system". Too many false positives.

6:35 AM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Whateverman said...

Hi Fred.

I just wanted to let you know: it appears someone has copied/pasted this blog entry to Ray Comfort's blog without attributing it to you. Whether that bothers you or not is none of my business.

He has a track record of doing this with other material. I suppose it's possible that you and he are one-in-the-same, but I suspect you're different people based on the way you write.

11:51 AM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

You mean that guy named "Kent?" That's not me and that is definitely a blatant example of plagiarism. I am surprised you anti-Ray/Christian folks haven't called him on it.

12:52 PM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Whateverman said...

I wont accuse someone of plagiarism unless I find where it was copied from.

In any case, cheers.

12:54 PM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

David writes,
Yes.

Yes?


Yes.

Continuing
Engineering is an organized religion? What about, say, baseball? Baseball also has its pope, evangelists, sacred documents, etc.

IF the adherents of baseball appealed to baseball as a philosophy to explain the meaning of life, it certainly would be an organized religion.

Men are spiritual beings, in spite of their insistence of atheists that they aren't spiritual beings. It's because their creator has wired them as such.

12:57 PM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

I wont accuse someone of plagiarism unless I find where it was copied from.

Welp, you found where it was copied from. Unless he took it from another plagiarist, who took it from me. But that would still make Kent a plagiarist none the less.

1:01 PM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Truth Unites... and Divides said...

"I long ago concluded that the overwhelming majority of atheists are simply intellectual hooligans. I have yet to meet one, either in person or online, exhibiting anything but utter and generally vastly uninformed contempt for any variety of religious thinking whatsoever.

In short, they're not interested in truth. They just want to chuck rocks at the church windows."


Man of the West, I wish I had concluded that a long time ago as you did.

Would have saved myself a lot of time and grief from casting pearls before swine.

2:08 PM, June 14, 2011  
Blogger Whateverman said...

Yes, he's a plagiarist. Set him straight if you wish; I've stopped posting to Ray's blog.

3:14 PM, June 14, 2011  

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