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Friday, December 31, 2010

Confronting Gays with Truth and Love

So the former CCM artist, Derek Webb, does an interview for an agnostic, inter-faith blogger guy from the Huffington Post. Frank writes up an open letter in which he asks among other things why Derek uses his "I'm an Artist" badge to be soft on what the biblical Gospel is, yet at the same time bash fundamentalist/evangelicals/churches for supposedly being mean to gays.

Evangelicals being mean to gays seems to be the major complaint from the few supporters of Derek who ventured forth to leave comments under Frank's post. Their whining is so shrill about being mean to gays, it is as if homosexual sin should be the last thing ever discussed with a gay person, if at all confronted to begin with.

Homosexual sin has become in our modern world the *fad* lifestyle demanding to be accepted and approved without question. Any person who speaks against homosexuality is automatically labeled a bigot and will not be tolerated in a society that otherwise demands tolerance toward every wack-a-doodle belief system and personal conduct.

The current *fad* among the younger set moving within evangelical circles is to love homosexuals unconditionally while overlooking and never bring up for discussion their same-sex lifestyle choice. To do so is to be a bully; speaking the truth, but without love. Evangelicals have traditionally been mean and condemning of gays, or so complains Derek Webb and the minions who agree with him.

So as a Christian who has been granted the privilege of bearing the saving Gospel of eternal life to a lost world, it is unloving to tell a gay person his sexual orientation and lifestyle is sinful? Really? I take it with this approach, it is unloving to tell a pederast his or her orientation is sinful, too?

The truth is that sodomy or any same-sex behavior, no matter if it is practiced between two loving, committed men or women, is sin before a holy God. This is clearly and emphatically taught in Scripture. There is no amount of exegetical voodoo anyone can do to the text so as to make the Bible accommodate homosexual orientation. To deny what the Bible says on the matter denies the authority of God's Word. There is no middle ground. Thus, homosexuality must be repented of and renounced or be judged eternally by God's just wrath. This is what scripture plainly teaches. Only Christ can save a homosexual from the penalty of his or her sin.

Moreover, saying a gay person's same-sex orientation is a product of his biological orientation and thus can never be "changed" suggests God has no ability to transform sinful hearts. This is like saying God can redeem and sanctify a man who looks upon women with lust in his heart (or "oriented" toward being polyamorous), but not the same-sex orientation of homosexuals. With redemption comes cleansing and transformation. Granted, no amount of personal, legalistic manipulation will "change" a gay person to being "straight." That is a supernatural work by God. Only the sanctifying Spirit can change the homosexual's heart so he or she will no longer seek the carnal fulfillment of same-sex sin. To deny this change can happen, however, is to deny God's power.

God both saves and transforms. A person who says this is an unloving message to give a gay person, misses what love truly is.

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Blogger donsands said...

Excellent word Fred. There's a rushing river flowing in this nation of tolerance and we need to have strength to stand, and even swim against it.
Thanks for the good solid words to stand on.

"There is no middle ground."

We could rip Romans 1 out of the Bible, and some other passages.

Usually when I share the truth with a homosexual I simply speak of fornication. I put it all in the same boat of sin. God made sex, and we need to see what it's all about in His will.

3:25 PM, December 31, 2010  
Blogger Man of the West said...

Y'know, I really don't think I've ever met a person who hasn't committed some kind of sexual sin. Indeed, I often think that the point of Jesus saying that heart-lust amounts to adultery is to make it clear that just about everybody has broken that commandment.

I have a lot of sympathy for someone struggling with same-sex attraction. It's not for nothing that homosexuality used to be treated as a psychological disorder. Saying the issues can run deep is understating the matter considerably. I imagine what it would be like to try ceasing to be interested in my wife, and I shudder.

On the other hand, as I've said to people on occasion, none of that means that pretending that homosexuality--or heart-lust, or any other sexual sin--isn't sin doesn't actually improve the situation.

I mean, I understand the lure of tobacco, too--smoked a pipe for years, and it is a pleasure, don't kid yourself--but that doesn't mean that if I saw my children take up cigarettes, I wouldn't say something.

C'mon. Sooner or later, you gotta say somethin'. It doesn't mean you're mean, it just means you can't bear to silently watch someone commit slow suicide.

5:34 PM, December 31, 2010  
Blogger College Jay said...

I don't know if a homosexual can become "straight" in the same way that most heterosexuals are "straight," mainly because I think, like you alluded to, the way our culture defines male heterosexuality is actually a sinful orientation towards serial fornication with women, and God wouldn't take someone out of the frying pan of one illicit desire and throw them into the fire of another.

But the point really isn't straightness. I don't really care if I am never attracted to a woman so long as I'm able to deny all of my illicit desires -- not just the homosexual ones, but also the desires to indulge anger, gossip, pride, slander and the myriad of other sins that I've struggled and will struggle against. With redemption does come transformation, although that transformation doesn't look the same for everyone, and our past wounds and experiences do play a factor.

8:42 AM, January 01, 2011  
Blogger DJP said...


10:18 AM, January 01, 2011  
Blogger RealityCheck said...

“Usually when I share the truth with a homosexual I simply speak of fornication. I put it all in the same boat of sin.”

I think this is a wise approach and the fact that we haven’t done this has lead to some of the problems we’re now facing. IOW, because we have been soft on other sexual sin it has not only lead to homosexual sin being more accepted but now when we say something about homosexual sin we sound like we’re just being intolerant of gays.

It’s pretty scary to think of the day, not too far down the road I’m afraid, when homosexual sex is as accepted as heterosexual sex and then “what” will be the “next” thing that we’re supposed to be tolerant of then.

2:11 PM, January 01, 2011  
Blogger Sir Aaron said...

Only the sanctifying Spirit can change the homosexual's heart


I have a lot of concern about homosexual sin. Chief among them is my belief that homosexuality is the last straw before God turns a society over to its own carnal desires. But I also realize that heterosexual adultery, divorce, and rampant unbridled fornication have led us to where we are now.

7:25 PM, January 01, 2011  
Blogger Sir Aaron said...


I fully affirm that for many people, homosexual desire is as natural for them as my desiring women. And for those persons such as yourself, I feel tremendous compassion.

However, I also believe, and this is soley my opinion, that there are many who choose to engage in this behavior The fact that there are "bisexuals" only serves to reinforce this belief. I've also been around homosexuals, when they are practicing openly, discuss and talk about converting straight individuals.

7:31 PM, January 01, 2011  
Blogger donsands said...

"...homosexual sex is as accepted as heterosexual sex.."

That can never be the case, IF we believe in the Word of God, the Bible, as our final and all sufficient authority.

The problem is the Bible is not the foundation any longer for many within the visible Church.

The Scriptures must be our foundation; an Apostolic Church.

3:34 PM, January 02, 2011  
Blogger College Jay said...

Sir Aaron: You're totally correct. The problem with discussing any sexual issue is that it's all extremely individualized and complex. I definitely know some people who say they chose to be gay simply because they want to rebel against all the trappings of conventional society.

I also know recovering sex addicts who have had sex with both men and women. It's probably not even appropriate to call them "bisexual" because for them, it's not about any type of romantic feeling or even infatuation, but simply the fulfillment of an immediate impulse, irregardless of who it's with.

There are likely numerous psychological and biological factors that contribute to everyone's sexuality. The problem is that sex has become so politicized that solid research into the subject is very, very hard to find. And the findings are often discredited or laughed at by the establishment if they say that sexual preferences are anything other than hard-wired for life and impossible to deny. For some reason, no one wants to admit that human being actually have any free will when it comes to who they sleep with. Imagine that.

9:58 PM, January 02, 2011  
Blogger Truth Unites... and Divides said...

"So as a Christian who has been granted the privilege of bearing the saving Gospel of eternal life to a lost world, it is unloving to tell a gay person his sexual orientation and lifestyle is sinful? Really?"


Truth-telling is unloving.

Masking and suppressing the Truth is loving.

C'mon Fred, get with the program.

11:18 AM, January 03, 2011  

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