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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Let's Keep Some Perspective


I had a busy day yesterday chasing atheists down in the comboxes at the GTY Blog, so I almost missed this news report:

Noah's Ark Found on Turkish Mountain Top?

Note the question mark.

The Sun from across the Pond has a video of the interior.
(why would a woman wear big, dangly ear rings when crawling around in tight quarters?)

There isn't a whole lot out yet in the English press. Just a picture of a guy bent down in a wooden room in what could really be a wine cellar. The main website, Noah's Ark Ministries International, is in Chinese. There are some more pictures of wooden rooms if you scroll down through. I hope it is real. I mean, that would be really cool. But let's have some perspective. As I noted in a blog post some four years ago about a satellite "image" of Noah's Ark,

...do we need to have a physical, tangible ark to prove the Bible is true? That the global flood describe in the pages of Genesis really happened? Of course not. The fact that the Bible is God's revelation is certainty enough to tell us the historical account of Noah and the flood took place. Besides, who is to say there is an ark up there anyways? The integrity of the Bible doesn't demand it. More than likely, after Noah and his family left the ark, they dismantled a good portion of it to use in construction for their own shelter. What was left has since been covered over or left to deteriorate in the elements.

When it comes down to it, even a physical, tangible ark will do little to convince the most stubborn of skeptical unbelievers. His disbelief is a heart problem, not one that lacks credible evidence. Let us say for the sake of argument this anomaly [or wooden wine cellars, 2010] was confirmed as being the ark of Noah. Would skeptics then fall to their knees and beat their chests with remorseful repentance for all their years of denying God and His Word? No, of course not. They would find some other clever way to conveniently explain away the discovery. In our day and age, it would be viewed as a plot by dastardly Republicans (and Haliburton) to get Bush's faith based school initiatives passed. So goes the sinful heart of men.

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Blogger donsands said...

God came Himself, in human flesh, and walk in pure love, and did miracles that were clearly seen, and yet, the world hated God, and so crucified Him, though it was predetermined by God.

If mankind will not believe the Living Lord face to face, we surely won't believe, even if Noah was raised from the dead, and took us to his ark's remains.

It is a powerful witness to realize this. It is the truth that man is dead in his sin. Blind and deaf spiritually to the truth, and even supresses it, when it begins to goad our conscience.

"But God..." Eph. 2:4

7:39 AM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger The Squirrel said...

I must admit, when I saw the headline on AP yesterday, I said, "Wow! They found Noah's Ark! Again!"

Personally, I'm of the opinion that Noah and his sons, faced with a devastated post-flood world, stripped that boat of any and all useful timbers and fittings faster then the Skipper and Gilligan parted-out the S.S. Minnow to build the Professor's peddle generator.

Just sayin'...


7:59 AM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger Lynda O said...

Interesting -- another claim? And here I thought the government of Turkey had found it years ago, eh? I agree, finding the physical Noah's Ark is not where the focus should be, yet some people think of this like a relic, same as with the Shroud of Turin etc.

We have the written word of God, and as Jesus said, Moses and the Prophets should be enough to convince -- no miracles, even a resurrection, are enough to convince. And yes, since Noah and family were in short supply of wood, it seems reasonable enough that they used the ark for construction purposes.

10:23 AM, April 28, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, this would be the first claim I have ever seen that actually looks like it might be the real thing. If they found it where they said they did, and if the rest of the structure could be properly excavated and found to be of the correct dimensions, then maybe so. What would be even more convincing is if a lot of petrified animal dung could be found in the ark. Dinosaur dung, which has been found in the fossil record, would be even more provocative.

I want to know if they can identify the species of wood!

The video is quite interesting.

12:19 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

If it's a hoax, it certainly is a good one.

12:21 PM, April 28, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Randal Price says this is a fake: Noah’s Ark PaleoBabble Update

12:33 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

We'll see, I guess. I don't necessarily care for Michael Heiser, so I am still dubious. If this Price character has the goods, he needs to make it known.


12:41 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger donsands said...

"I want to know if they can identify the species of wood!" -Esc


And can wood stay wood for 4,000 or so years?

3:40 PM, April 28, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And can wood stay wood for 4,000 or so years?"

It would almost certainly be pertified if it survived that long in that enviroment.

6:40 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger Bob McCabe said...

Fred, I am on board with your post. I have read this report about the discovery of Noah's ark with some interest because of its significance for biblical creationism. However, I have mixed reactions to it. In the final analysis, if I am committed to a presuppositional apologetic, it really makes no difference one way or the other if this report is true or false. God will not use this report to regenerate anyone. The Spirit only imparts spiritual life in conjunction with the preaching of the gospel.

8:23 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger The Squirrel said...

It seems that World Net Daily has picked up the "Is It A Hoax" story, and has more from Price there.

I've got a couple of Price's books, and have found him to be a careful scholar. He has released a statement that his belief that this was all a hoax is only his opinion, but that it is a reasoned and informed opinion.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see...


8:38 PM, April 28, 2010  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

I think E. is right. Any wood would be petrified at 5,000 years of age. The video showed the dangly ear ring wearing woman knocking on a wall that sounded like the inside of my garage. Still, truth and time will tell.


6:14 AM, April 29, 2010  
Blogger The Squirrel said...

Here's Answers in Genesis' first take on the Ark story.

[Freelance Link-Troll for Hire]

12:28 PM, April 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more I learn about this, the more it looks to me like the Kurds played a hoax the Chinese tourists. I'm sure some money exchanged hands here.

12:40 PM, April 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An update:

The Chinese team that claims to have found Noah's ark has come out swinging in their own defense:


The four short videos are interesting, but they need to do a lot more documentation--and bring back samples of the wood.

10:49 PM, May 07, 2010  

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