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Hip and Thigh: Smiting Theological Philistines with a Great Slaughter. Judges 15:8

Saturday, October 24, 2009

Vindications

One more post of gloating righteousness.
Take note of the word "lemur."

"In this case, we’ll have to wait and see. But because the fossil is similar to a modern lemur (a small, tailed, tree-climbing primate), it’s unlikely that creationists need any interpretation of the “missing link” other than that it was a small, tailed, probably tree-climbing, and now extinct primate—from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week."

Answers In Genesis, May 16th, News to Note.


"Organizations with the word “Family” in their name are invariably fundamentalists and creationists (with the possible exception of “Family Planning”), and OneNewsNow, the website of the “American Family News Network,” is a case in point as they react to the news of the “Ida” fossil by consulting Ken Ham, leader of the young earth creationist group Answers in Genesis. Ham’s conclusion: It's just a dead animal. Big deal."

Charles Johnson, curator, bitter anti-creationist, Little Green Footballs blog, Thursday, May 21st, 2009. 3:15 pm.
Who Cares About a Dead Lemur?


"The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs."

Discovery News, October 21st, 2009. Emphasis mine.

"Missing Link" Primate Fossil Debunked.



It appears the Charles owes Answers In Genesis, Ken Ham, and Rush Limbaugh a public apology. Something tells me it won't happen.

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16 Comments:

Blogger bob said...

It's interesting that you invoked Answers in Genesis. Did you know they make the claim that the entire universe was magically created only 6,000 years ago?

This idea, a 6,000 year old universe, requires the complete rejection of virtually every branch of science.

They are obviously insane. Why do you think they could get anything else right?

5:44 PM, October 24, 2009  
Blogger bob said...

I'm just wondering. Why do you people in the religion business think part of your job is to attack scientists and their discoveries? Do you feel threatened by evolutionary biology? Are you afraid of biologists?

5:49 PM, October 24, 2009  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

Thank you Bob for not cussing.


I am glad to see you are a regular reader of my nonsense.

6:06 PM, October 24, 2009  
Blogger MSC said...

Based on the rants you read by evolutionists at amazon on virtually an book that engages the controversy of origins I'd say it is the evolutionists who are back on their heels in fear. Their theory is crumbling and they know it.

6:46 PM, October 24, 2009  
Blogger bob said...

"from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week"

Good old Ken Ham and his childish belief in magic. He really should move back to Australia. America already has enough insane people. Actually, if it was up to me, Ken Ham would be deported for mentally abusing children, which is his career here.

"I'd say it is the evolutionists who are back on their heels in fear. Their theory is crumbling and they know it."

The theory of evolution is crumbling? That would be big news for the thousands of biologists who love evolution. The molecular biologists who work at places like MIT and Harvard would be very surprised to know that their life's work was based on a crumbling idea.

Perhaps MSC thinks that he knows more about modern biology than the scientists at MIT and Harvard. Is that your problem, MSC?

Oh by the way, MSC, biologists don't fear your childish idiotic belief in magic. They laugh at it. Some of them, the ones who live in god-soaked America, are ashamed to be sharing a country with people like you.

So, Fred, are you going to educate yourself, or are you going to continue providing evidence for my idea that creationists are creationists because they're too bloody lazy (or too afraid, you tell me) to read a book.

What's the deal, Fred? Are you going to waste the rest of your life believing in medieval ideas, or are you going to join the 21st century?

Perhaps your problem, and perhaps the problem of many other creationists, besides their laziness, besides their lifetime of being brainwashed, is they find it repulsive to be distant cousins of chimpanzees.

If that's your problem, then perhaps it's about time for you to grow up and face facts. Reality ain't so bad once you get used to it. Also, it's really nice to be right about science, instead of being a laughing-stock.

Yes, that's right. Thousands of biologists (virtually every single biologist in the world) laugh at and ridicule creationists, who they consider equal to flat-earthers.

7:08 AM, October 25, 2009  
Blogger steve said...

bob said...

"I'm just wondering. Why do you people in the religion business think part of your job is to attack scientists and their discoveries? Do you feel threatened by evolutionary biology? Are you afraid of biologists?"

False dichotomy. Are you afraid of religious biologists?

BTW, why do you think people in the evolutionary business (e.g. Dawkins) think part of their job is to attack religionists. Are you running scared?

3:56 PM, October 25, 2009  
Blogger steve said...

bob said...

"They are obviously insane. Why do you think they could get anything else right?"

But don't you believe that young-earth creationists are the products of their evolutionary conditioning? If they're insane, then natural selection selects for lunatics. And if natural selection selects for lunatics, then that must include evolutionary biologists, right?

I'm disappointed to see you losing faith in evolution. I was counting on you, Bob.

4:02 PM, October 25, 2009  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

I can't get into this fray yet.

The wife and I have a dear friend dying of cancer that she must visit tonight or risk not seeing her alive again. So, my time is occupied with baby sitting four kids.

Of course, for Bob, cancer is just a part of the evolutionary process.

Thins out the weakest in the species.

Just part of bad DNA and genetics.

Why my wife and I grieve for her husband and children she leaves behind is a bit pathetic. Isn't it Bob? Why are we grieving over evolution doing its thing? All that suffering and death and genocide? I guess we are so afraid of knowing the truth about life, huh Bob?

More later...

4:57 PM, October 25, 2009  
Blogger Hayden said...

Bob,

Since you don't have a profile, let me write it for you.

--20 years old
--Living at home
--Read all of Dawkins, Hitchens books and loves them
--Read the Bible once or twice and maybe attended SS once or twice
-- Doesn't care about any argument a Christian has because he is yelling 'you are dumb' or 'not listening' with fingers in ears
-- A lot like me when I was said age as I pursued my BA in Anthropology

I will pray for you Bob. No argument that anyone gives in this board could change your mind, but God can :--)

7:22 PM, October 25, 2009  
Blogger bob said...

Hayden, your childish "I will pray for you" is an insult and you know it's an insult, even though you will deny it. If you want people to have nothing but contempt for you, just keep insulting them like you just insulted me.

It's none of your business but here are a few facts about myself.

Atheist books bore me to death because I can say what Dawkins and the rest can say in just one sentence. I don't need to write a book about why I'm normal.

This is, in my opinion, all that needs to be said about theism. Saying anything else about it would be a waste of time.

Here it is:

"God is just another word for magic. There is no magic in the universe."

There, I'm done. I enjoy the magic in my seven Harry Potter books, but I know magic is not real. People who have a childish belief in magic are called theists. Normal people, and there's more than a Billion of us in the world, are called atheists.

Some other facts about myself. I'm a retired computer programmer analyst. I have many hobbies including studying evolutionary biology. I attended Catholic grammar school, kindergarten thru 8th grade. I threw out all religious stupidity at age 18, and after studying science for many years, my atheism couldn't possibly be any stronger.

As far as not caring what Christians say, well, I have heard it all before, and it all can be summarized in three words - magic is real. I know magic is a make-believe idea for children, and even children, unless they were raised by idiots, know that magic is not real.

7:04 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

"God is just another word for magic. There is no magic in the universe."

So how exactly did complex, biological life come into existence from non-life? Magic? Or do you believe with Crick and Dawkins that aliens put it here?

7:15 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger bob said...

"Of course, for Bob, cancer is just a part of the evolutionary process."

Thanks for the teaching opportunity.

The reason humans still get diseases like cancer when they get older is because natural selection does not eliminate genes if a human ape survives long enough to become a parent.

"Why are we grieving over evolution doing its thing?"

Do I really need to tell you why I felt terrible for a very long time after my mother's death? Did you think atheists are inhuman?

Even chimpanzees grieve over the death of their close relatives. Isn't that interesting?

Reality is sometimes very horrible. That's no reason to deny it. For example, pretending there's a heaven is not going to change the fact we have only one life.

What atheists do is they don't waste their only life. Christians often don't do all they can while they are alive, because they figure heaven is eternity, so what's the big deal if their first life is wasted.

People should be grateful for being alive at all. It's greedy (not to mention childish, cowardly, and insane) to pretend they will get a 2nd life.

I write too much. Should I get my own blog or what?

7:15 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

I attended Catholic grammar school

Why am I not surprised?

7:18 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger bob said...

So how exactly did complex, biological life come into existence from non-life? Magic? Or do you believe with Crick and Dawkins that aliens put it here?

At some point, maybe as soon as I finish these comments, I must quit and do other things like eat, do some chores, read my books, etc. I wish I could be at my keyboard all day, but like everyone else, my time is limited.

Your questions are good questions.

First the easy question you asked about Dawkins. Just for the record Dawkins said during one interview that it was not impossible that aliens came to earth to give life a foothold here. But of course, if you knew anything about Dawkins, you would know he thinks that's an idiotic idea, because the distance between solar systems is too vast for another civilization in another part of the universe to ever get here.

"So how exactly did complex, biological life come into existence from non-life? Magic?"

There are perhaps a few questions that may never be answered, but your question about how life may have got a foothold on earth is not one of those questions. Scientists have already come up with excellent ideas for how natural processes led to the development of the first living cells. A very quick summary would be two examples I can think of now without spending all day looking things up.

The ancient earth, more than four billion years ago, was constantly being bombarded by comets, which today scientists know contain organic matter, and that could have led to those first simple living cells.

Another idea is life could have started under the ocean near underwater volcanos.

If you're interested, look it up.

What scientists don't do when trying to solve these difficult problems is invoke a magic god fairy. They know that would be equivalent to giving up. They agree that there's no magic in the universe, and everything has a natural cause, even though sometimes the best the scientists can do is speculate.

If everyone just gave up and said "It was a miracle", human progress would come to a complete stop.

I think a famous quote would be appropriate here:

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.

-- Charles Darwin

Are you afraid of religious biologists?

You should know that virtually every single religious biologist in the world completely accepts the basic facts of evolution, including our evolutionary relationship with chimpanzees and other species.

Religious scientists know that invoking religious ideas like the Bible creation myth or the intelligent design magical creation myth, is not doing science. They know they can't say "Here a miracle occurred." They keep their religion and their science career completely separate. The religious scientists of the world are on my side, not your side. In fact, one of my favorite biologists is religious. I greatly respect him because he has done more than anyone else to promote the teaching of evolutionary biology. I disagree with his religious ideas, but I know he will always keep those ideas completely separate from his career in biology.

7:43 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

Just for the record Dawkins said during one interview that it was not impossible that aliens came to earth to give life a foothold here.

Dawkins has said this in many interviews, not one. Just recently on the Michael Medved show. This was also the position of Crick, who discovered the DNA helix.

The ancient earth, more than four billion years ago, was constantly being bombarded by comets, which today scientists know contain organic matter, and that could have led to those first simple living cells.

Another idea is life could have started under the ocean near underwater volcanos.


Both of these things are theories taught to me in 6th grade. Disney had a similar cartoon that promoted the bombardment theory. Neither one of these ideas even comes close to explaining how complex, self-replicating life came to be on the planet. Come on, Bob, you disappoint me. And here I thought you were not a man of "faith."

What scientists don't do when trying to solve these difficult problems is invoke a magic god fairy.

You mean like comets bombarding the earth? Or panspermia?

You should know that virtually every single religious biologist in the world completely accepts the basic facts of evolution,

Every single one? Really? What do you do with the myriads who don't embrace the chimp idea?

8:02 AM, October 26, 2009  
Blogger Hayden said...

Bob,

If you find me praying for you a slam, I am sorry.(that was not even remotely meant that way. If that is the way you took it, forgive me [no sarcasm or smarm at all])

I did and have prayed for you because I was once in the position that you are in now. (I received a BA in Anthropology centering mostly on Biological Anthropology)

6:42 AM, October 27, 2009  

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