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Saturday, September 11, 2010

Tuesday, September 11th

Today is the 9th year of 9/11.

Dan links to a tremendous video that reminds us of the reality of an enemy we still face to this day
. I wrote a post on the 5th anniversary of 9/11 and I have republished it below.


Below is the original post I published marking the anniversary of the terrorist attacks that happened 9 years ago this very day. I thought it would be appropriate to re-publish it.

I had an interesting rabbit trail run off from this post if you read the comments. (Which have since been turned off).

You see: One of the most angering developments over the past decade are the conspiracy theories hatched by the diseased minds of individuals hateful toward any authority or government, specifically conservative authority; and they particularly hated George Bush who was the top authority of a conservative government. So, instead of believing what actually happened and witnessed by millions of individuals on scene and world-wide, that 19 Islamic jihadist hijackers flew 3 planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon killing 3,000 American citizens, they choose to believe their fellow Americans, directed by dark, unknown conservative governmental authorities, and in conjunction with Israeli secret service, killed those 3,000 Americans. Americans killing Americans just so they have an excuse to invade the Middle East and steal all the oil.

However, even more angering to the point of disgust are the people who name Christ as their Lord and are supposedly lovers of truth who choose to believe the lies of anti-God anarchists because their theology is driven by a conspiratorial mind-set.

I wrote a follow-up post to the "Christian" conspirator here.

This September 11th, 2010, marks the 9th anniversary of the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington D.C. I figure that maybe a few years from now, one of my boys will have to write a paper for a school class that interviews someone who remembers what happened, so even though practically every blog is posting a similar article to mark the day, I thought I would add my perspective.

I guess like any other major international event that will forever be remembered in history - the JFK's assassination, the Americans beating the Russians in the 80 winter Olympics, the Challenger disaster, and the Oklahoma City bombing, a person will always recall exactly what he or she was doing at the time. With the terrorist attacks in NYC and Washington D.C., I can remember vividly the many details of my entire day.

Tuesdays and Thursdays are volunteer days for me, so it is my routine to arrive at work on those two days earlier than normal so I can set up for work. As I pulled into the parking lot at 5 AM California time, the first plane had already hit the first tower. The news broadcast I was listening to that morning had sketchy details, but it was certain that an aircraft of some sorts had flown into one of the Twin Towers.

AM Radio reception is non-existent in our building, so I was confined to listening to a local FM morning comedy show here in LA called Mark and Brian on my Walkman head set. They did a fairly good job of providing updates, and for that 18 minutes in between the first plane strike and the second, I was under the impression from all the reports I was hearing that it was a small propeller driven Cessna or something that hit the building. One of the radio guys speculated that a pilot had a heart attack or got ill, but it was consider at this point entirely accidental.

Then the second jet liner struck the second tower. I will never forget the radio news lady say, O MY GAWD, A SECOND PLANE HAS HIT THE OTHER TOWER! Then she muttered, "there's definitely something going on here." You think? When the third aircraft hit the Pentagon, we had ourselves a genuine Tom Clancy novel unfolding before our very eyes in real life.

The Mark and Brian show wisely differed their air time to ABC Radio News, and I will never forget Peter Jennings emotional narration as he described the first tower falling to the ground.

By this time, my volunteers had arrived and we were all a buzz about what was happening in NYC and Washington. We had planned a big pot luck lunch for this day, and one of my volunteer's husband worked on a special intel gathering team for the Air Force. Because of the planned pot luck, he took the day off to join his wife with volunteering. Of course, when they arrived, he stayed out in the parking lot for about an hour talking to all sorts of military officials as to what was happening and whether or not he should come into work.

His boss told him to stay put for the time being, and when he walked into the door we all turned to him to get all the inside information we could. One fellow asked him, "How bad is it?" and I will never forget his response: "This is like World War 3 bad." He went on to tell us that various intelligence agencies had been monitoring an increase in phone "chatter" over the previous 2 weeks between various Islamic countries and the U.S. He explained that even though we may see a lot of increased activity, it is near difficult to determine what it is all about. (Hence the reason why we should let the government monitor these types of calls).

By 9 AM my time, I was finally able to get the Internet working so we could all listen to the radio. We listened to Dennis Prager for the remainder of the morning, who provided more reliable information and commentary than a couple of FM morning comedy guys. We all listened together to the stories about the two towers falling to the ground, the strike in Washington, and at this point, Flight 93 which had crashed in Pennsylvania.

We had our pot luck, prayed for the situation and then cut off early. I went home, and as I listened to the various talk radio programs, I noted a sense of sobriety in the voices of the on-air personalities who can regularly be off color, sarcastic in their comments, and cynical with their overall, daily opinion. When I arrived at the house, I immediately went over to my next door neighbor's place to watch the TV. My wife came home early from school shortly after I arrived home (she taught 3rd grade at the time) and we stayed watching the video of all the days events.

We were both restless the entire evening and it was difficult for us to get to sleep. I can remember how eerily empty the sky over the LA area was because of the air traffic being shut down. Our condo sits in a close path under the landing pattern for the Burbank airport. I guess you can get use to the sound of jets flying over your house, because the absence of airplane activity was profound. My wife and I sat on our deck and talked about all that had happened, why, how we should respond as Christians when we evangelize those who have questions, and then we prayed. We heard only one lone military jet fly over heading south east.

The next Sunday at Grace Church, my pastor preached an hour and half long message on Islam, terrorism, and how we should think as Christians about what had happened. Later in the month our pastor was invited for the first time to Larry King's show to offer the "evangelical Christian" perspective of "Where was God during 9/11?" And of course, who can forget that speech by George Bush the few days after when he went down to visit with the rescue workers at the WTC?

Someone yelled out, "We can't hear you!" to which he replied, "Well, I can hear you, and this nation hears you, and the people who knocked down these building are gonna hear from all of us!"

I get goose bumps just writing that sentence.

I think the most amusing oddity that arose from the events of 9/11 were all the myriad of urban legends and conspiracy theories. In fact, I can remember telling my wife the evening of 9/11 that it would not be too long before some conspiracy nutters will make charges that the government did it. Snopes, the urban legend website, has done a good job of cataloging all of the 9/11 legends and they are worth scrolling through.

However, probably my favorite, all time urban legend had to have been "tourist guy."

Remember "tourist guy?" A week or so after the attacks, I received a mass email from an acquaintance with the above picture attached. The text accompanying the photo told how during the clean up of the WTC debris, rescue works found a camera and immediately halted their rescue/clean-up efforts and rushed to the nearest drug store to have the film developed, and lo and behold, one of the photographs was a chilling picture of a hapless tourist standing on the observation deck just seconds before the first plane smashed into the building totally oblivious to his immediate doom!

The photo is awesome. It has the hallmark of excellent story telling. You have irony, suspense, tragedy, and grief all wrapped up in this single picture. Of course, the moment I saw it, I knew it was a fake. I emailed my friend back and told him it was fake, and he was down right insistent that it wasn't, even though it is easily debunked: There is no observation deck on the tower hit first; the observation deck wouldn't be opened that early in the morning; it was hot, and the guy is wearing a jacket; even taking into account the unpredictability of chaos theory in motion, the chances of a camera remaining intact with the film still able to be developed after falling 110 stories to the ground among thousands of tons of wreckage is astronomically unlikely. Later, the real tourist guy revealed himself as a Hungarian man named Peter.

The most disturbing development from the whole 9/11 event has been the rise of conspiracy mongers who genuinely believe the government, especially the George Bush government, set up the entire attack and CIA operatives bombed the WTC and sent a cruise missile into the Pentagon. As an added humorous bonus, the main body of these conspiracy nuts do not come from your run-of-the-mill tin-foil hat wearers of the redneck, right wing variety who live out in the Rocky Mountain wilderness in homes decorated with hubcaps. A good portion of the 9/11 conspiracy believers are well educated and upper middle class. Many of them are professors and teach in colleges. They would pride themselves as being well taught intellectuals; people who would delight in ridiculing religious faith as believing in superstitious nonsense. They would call themselves rational free-thinkers and speak disparagingly against George Bush as being stupid and a moron, and they despise the Republicans for wanting to set up a "theocracy." Their hatred for George Bush is so extreme, they have crafted an alternate reality for themselves so as to justify that hatred by pinning the most horrific crimes imaginable against the president.

Thankfully, there are some sane people out in the world. Popular Mechanics has a site dedicated to debunking 9/11 myths, as well as a recently published book on the subject. There is also a recent Pentagon simulation video that goes through why a jet plane had to have hit the Pentagon.

Looking at were we are presently some 8 years after 9/11, I do have a couple of concerns. First, I am a bit annoyed with how anti-Bush leftists down play any meaningful remembrance of what happened. Rather than 9/11 being a day where we confronted true evil and rose to the challenges of responding to it as a people, they deem it fit to ignore what truly happened and choose instead to blame ourselves as being worthy of deserving these attacks. Such warped thinking is shameful in itself and sadly, I can see impressionable young people embracing this self-loathing.

However, on the other side, I am bothered with how "Red State" conservatives have taken the date and have turned it into something of a sacred holiday. I realize this is not what is intended by them, but I believe there is a hidden danger here. Though the emphasis is a sober reflection upon the villians and the wickedness they perpetrated, and memoralizing the victims and heroes in the aftermath, 9/11 must not become another Memorial Day where we may put up some flags and pictures of eagles and firemen, yet all we really think about is an extended, three-day weekend culminating with backyard barbeques. That too would be shameful in itself.

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Blogger surfer boy said...

Poor naive Fred,
And I suppose that it was just a coincidence that airline stocks were very heavily shorted just prior to the "arab" attacks?

3:10 PM, September 10, 2006  
Blogger Pecadillo said...

Surfer Boy, your persona is pathetic in every sense of the word. I say persona because I want to believe that you exaggerate your beliefs while blogging to gain readers or attention or whatever. Call me crazy but I'd sleep a lot better at night if I could tell myself that people don't really believe the type of things you claim to. It honestly makes me sad to know that there are people out there that believe the utter crap and total stupidity that you base your beliefs and opinions on.

You failed to make clear exactly which asinine 9-11 conspiracy theory you subscribe to, but I honestly don't care. I just hope that one day you'll wake up and be ashamed of the disrespect you've shown to our Government, our Military, 9-11 victims, and Police and Firefighters all over America. I'm a Police Officer, and I'm personally insulted by you and people like you.

12:36 AM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger surfer boy said...


Instead of being concerned with sleeping well at night, why don't you have a concern for the truth?

You think it's crap and stupidity to state the fact that airline stocks were heavily shorted just prior to 9-11? Do you doubt this provable fact? or are you too stupid to understand it's import? On what do you base your beliefs and opinions? The controlled media? What your colleagues believe?

You ought to be insulted by a media that's lied to you. And it's you that needs to wake up, assuming you have the courage to look at facts that contradict the scenario that you've been led to believe. But something tells me you'd rather remain blissfully ignorant, afterall, you'll sleep better that way. But I can assure you of one thing, someday soon, there will be a very rude awakening in this country for deceived sheep like you.

5:38 AM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

You think it's crap and stupidity to state the fact that airline stocks were heavily shorted just prior to 9-11?

(Fred) So is it your contention then, that United Airlines and American Airlines conspired together to pull off the attacks? Did they hire the 19 hijackers or were they from inside the airlines? Or better yet, were those planes really romote controlled? What happened to the passagers? Were they paid off by the airlines or just conveniently murdered beforehand?

On what do you base your beliefs and opinions? The controlled media? What your colleagues believe?

(Fred) Was the major news networks invovled with the plot? This would have to be globally, seeing that millions of TVs were tuned to the event. I base my beliefs about 9-11 upon what I saw on television and what Osama confessed to. Was that a computer simulation I saw or something filmed at the old moon studioes out in Nevada?


7:00 AM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger Pecadillo said...

Surfer Boy, I have a question for you: Can you name just one major, news worthy event that you don't have a conspiracy for? I've heard what you think about the JFK assassination, the moon landings, the invention of cancer spreading government foods, etc. Is there any mainstream explanation of any world event or occurrence at all that you believe? I seriously doubt there is.

I come across people like you all the time. Honestly, they usually wind up being placed on what's known as a 5150 hold. You have a sick need to question absolutely everything you're told by anyone in a position of authority over you. Whether it's your government, or maybe a parent, or a boss, or a teacher. Anyone who has the nerve to take a stand or state a fact; you're not satisfied until you can find a way to question their motives or honesty because it makes you feel superior and ultimately, better about yourself. It's sick. Very sick. You use blanket statement/cliques about "the media" and "the government" that somehow prove a theory that you've had all along for one purpose and one purpose only: you think it makes you sound smart. After all, anyone who can figure out some hidden code in a document, or discover clues about a media cover-up must be smarter than the average bear. So you refuse to believe anything that the general public holds as fact because that way, you've earned the right to be condescending and refer everyone who's not willing to drink your particular brand of Cool Aid a "deceived sheep".

I feel very sorry for you, give my best to Sasquatch.

7:36 AM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger surfer boy said...


Typically, rather than responding to the fact I initially stated, you must resort to ad hominem attack. It's obvious that you were required to take psychology 101 in order to become a cop. You say, "you refuse to believe anything that the general public holds as fact.." That's exactly your problem. You believe it must be a fact because the general public believes it. Facts are determined by consensus in your world. You haven't the courage to stand for truth that goes against the beliefs of a deceived general public. Because someone states truth that contradicts your position--then of course they must be mentally ill. That's how the game is played.

Why not just answer the question: Why were airline stocks heavily shorted prior to the attacks?

If you want to believe that Arabs trained on simulators were able to fly those planes right into those buildings which then collapsed due to burning jet fuel, then you go right ahead.

3:03 PM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger Pecadillo said...

"You haven't the courage to stand for truth that goes against the beliefs of a deceived general public."

Dude, I'm a Christian, that's exactly what I do everyday.

Oh, and I've never taken a psychology class in my life. In the academy, we did have a "disturbed persons" class. They pretty much taught us how to talk to an irrational person or how to safely approach a Y2K bunker. All very useful information.

3:28 PM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger thomas4881 said...

Here's an interesting thought:

January 2001 in Bushs' Inagural speech he said - "We know the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?"

Ecclesiasties 9:11 I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all.

I think Osama saw bushs' speech and that's why he did that on 911

3:59 PM, September 11, 2006  
Blogger centuri0n said...


One of the things your view of how or why 9/11 happened overlooks is the fact that the guys who crashed the planes into the buildings started their plot well-before Bush's 2001 inaugural.


It's a little odd that Snopes.com (which Freddy linked to in this post) lists your "fact" of short sales of airline stock as false.

However, it's your point -- substantiate it. Can you link to any data which supports your very-suspicious tone? My personal opinion is that you don't really understand how large trades work and how substantial shareholders have to report and clear large transactions prior to making them for the sake of corporate reporting to the FTC.

That's not ad-hom: that's "put up or shut up". I could say, "I think surfer boy's actually an al-Qaeda operative seeking to confuse people with credible-sounding accusations and not some misguided kid who doesn't understand how corporate stock transactions work," but then I'd have to prove what I just said. All I'm asking is that you prove what you have just said.

Just so you don't think I'm making this up as I go, here's the works possible case: if you can prove that a significant short was made in airpline stock the day before 9/11, that sale would have been pending a 30-day waiting period require by the FTC. Now: how is it possible that "the airplines" had exactly 30 business days' notice on this attack? Filing this kind of papaerwok is not something you do over the phone to have it post the next day.

The worst case for the rest of us, SB, is that you prove too much -- that is, you might be able to indicate a significant short sale of the stock, but if you can, there'll be FTC paperwork which tells us how far in advance the seller(s) of the stocks were planning to sell the stock.

1:40 AM, September 12, 2006  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

I appreciate everyone's comments in reference to SB.

My one question, however, is how does any of this have relevance to our Christian faith? SurferB believes it is imperative to acknowledge a conspiracy here in order to be a truth standing Christian. Why?


6:47 AM, September 12, 2006  
Blogger thomas4881 said...

centurion it doesen't mean that Osama planned the date before Bushs' speech

3:35 PM, September 12, 2006  
Blogger surfer boy said...


You state, "You don't really understand how large trades work and how substantial shareholders have to report and clear large transactions prior to making them for the sake of corporate reporting to the FTC."

It is you that lacks understanding. First, I never stated that employees of airline corps. sold their stock as both you and Fred seem to imply. I said that airline stocks were heavily shorted. Second, you are wrong. Substantial shareholders do not have to give any notice prior to selling their shares. Third, only company employees (CEO, directors, etc) have to give notice when they sell their shares and it doesn't have to be a substantial amount. Fourth, the org. that EMPLOYEES have to report to is not the FTC as you claim, but the SEC. Fifth, I said airline stocks were heavily shorted. I did not say that those holding their shares sold (and all but employees are free to sell any amount whenever they want). A short sale occurs when someone sells WHAT THEY DO NOT OWN. There was nothing preventing me, if I had the money, from shorting millions of dollars of airline stocks the day before 9-11. As a SHORT-SELLER, I would then be obligated to buy back those shares at a later date. For this there is no restriction.

In your third paragraph you state, "If you can prove a significant short was made in airline stock...that sale would be pending a 30 day waiting period by the FTC.." As I've said, there is no waiting period required for any short sale. Again, a shortseller doesn't own the stock. You are confusing a short sale with a stock sale by employees.

Do you realize that the NYSE is a syndicate? Do you know that much of what happens there is concealed and fudged? Having said that, let me copy you some statistics on this.

Data shows heavy airline-stock short selling
San Francisco Chronicle
22 September 2001

by Christian Berthelsen

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/22/BU27558.DTL

In another sign that some investors speculated against the stocks of airlines whose jets were used in terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, there was a sharp increase in short selling of the stocks of American and United airlines during the month before Sept. 11.

The trading activity far outpaced the rise in short selling for all stocks on the New York Stock Exchange -- or other major airline stocks as a group on the Big Board -- according to a computer analysis by The Chronicle of data released yesterday by the New York Stock Exchange.

A short sale is essentially a financial market bet that the value of a particular stock will drop. In a successful short sale, an investor borrows the stock from a broker, sells it and then repurchases it at a lower price, returning the shares to their owner and turning a profit on the difference.

Federal securities and law enforcement investigators have been looking at unusual trading activities in the stocks of AMR Corp. and UAL Corp., the parent companies of American and United, as well as a number of other securities in the days leading up to the terrorist attacks. Specifically, the investigators want to determine whether someone with advanced knowledge of what would happen was trying to profit on the ensuing financial downturn.

The data released yesterday is part of the NYSE's regular monthly report on short-selling. It shows that investors shorted nearly 4.39 million shares of UAL in portions of August and September. That represented an increase of 1.25 million shares, or 40 percent over the previous month's level.

Meanwhile, investors shorted more than 2.98 million shares of AMR, a jump of nearly 497,000 shares, or 20 percent above what it was in August.

Those increases were far larger than the average shorting of stocks for the two companies' major competitors on the exchange, including Delta, Continental,

US Airways and Southwest. As a group, the competitors saw an increase in shorting of only 11 percent. And shorting on the exchange overall totaled only a one percent increase.

As reported previously, some of the suspicious trading under investigation by market monitors, the FBI and the Securities and Exchange Commission include an unusual spike in the purchase of "put" options on the stocks of AMR and UAL.

A put is essentially a bet that the stock will decline, giving the buyer the right to sell the stock at a set price at a set time and delivering profits when the share price drops lower than the agreed sale price.

To be sure, there are a number of legitimate reasons to account for the increase in short selling that have nothing to do with terrorism.

For instance, the airline industry was in serious finance trouble even prior to the attacks, as business and consumer travel demand slacked off in a weakening economy. And both AMR and UAL posted huge second-quarter losses in July and said they could be in the red for the rest of the year.

What's more, short-selling on the exchange has become increasingly prevalent. Each month has seen a record high, with a new peak of 5.98 billion shares shorted this month.

Still, anyone shorting shares of AMR and UAL would have turned a strong profit. UAL closed yesterday at $17.13 per share, off 44 percent from its close of $30.82 the day before the attack. AMR is down 40 percent, closing at $17.90 yesterday from $29.70 on Sept. 10.

Only one carrier, US Airways, saw a higher jump in short sales, with an increase of 41 percent. But there were obvious reasons to short that company: US Airways is laden with debt and was the target of a takeover bid from United that failed in July.

As with put options, it is difficult to tell how much money was made in the short selling of UAL and AMR stocks without more specific information about sale and repurchase prices and dates of execution.

Because of its importance to the events
When our president said, "...Do you not think an angel rides in the this whirlwind and directs this storm?" Do you think he's referring to Christ? He's most definitly referring to Satan.
It is not the mark of a Christian to continually mock what he doesn't understand.

4:46 PM, September 12, 2006  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

What I find stunning, SB, is that after you castigate Pec for "trusting in" the "controlled" main stream media, you then turn around and quote and entire section from one of the most liberal, unbelievable newspapers in the nation as if it is authoritative and infallible. Truly amazing.

Mock what I don't understand? What exactly is it that I "don't understand?" And again, why is it relevant to the Chrsitian faith?


6:01 AM, September 13, 2006  
Blogger surfer boy said...

There's no getting through to you or the others who blog here.

2:24 PM, September 13, 2006  
Blogger Pecadillo said...

Surfer Boy, you're right, there is no getting through to me. You'll never convince me that 9-11 was caused by our government or airline companies or whatever it is that you believe (you still have yet to make clear exactly what that is by the way). You'll never convince me that the moon landings were filmed in New Mexico. You'll never convince me that Sasquatch, the Yeti, or the boogieman exist. I’ll never vote for Lyndon LaRouche. I'll never have a Weekly World News subscription. I'll never live off a diet of pork n' beans and spaghettios while living in a fall out shelter. Paul McCartney is still alive, Elvis and Hitler are not. You'll never see me with a tin foil hat, and I'm pretty sure that I've never been probed by aliens. I guess there's just no getting through to me.

3:41 PM, September 13, 2006  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

You do understand, SB, that if you are going to advocate any theory or worldview, in this case, a massive governmental conspiracy to explain much of world history, then you will need to have ample justification for that theory or world view.

So far, this particular conspiracy theory is untenable. In other words, it is easily explained and debunked. That is because the claims of the 9-11 conspiracy believers are based upon misinterpretation of the facts and in many cases, pure imagination and out right lies. For example, the claim that there were no bodies in the plane wreckage at the Pentagon, even though there are countless eye-witnesses who saw them, catalogued the remains and took photographic evidence. The claim no airplane hit the Pentagon, even though there are countless eye-witnesses who saw it. One particular eye-witness used the words "cruise missile" in his description and conspiracy cranks seized upon that one description took it out of context and made up an entirely different version of that fellow's testimony. That is dishonest and intentionally deceptive and a Christian like yourself should have no part of such lies.

I am genuinely concerned for your soul, SB. Not that you are outside the salvation of the Lord, but that your mind is being warped by believing things that are untrue and outside the purview of reality. Our Lord would not have us believe in this fashion. Like I argued in my tin-foil hat theology articles, creating a world view around the impossibility of conspiracy theories only serves to damages your psyche and ultimately your soul. Does your pastor and fellow church members see things as you do? Surely you go to a good church, right? I truly pray you consider what I am telling you here.

I will let you have the last word if you wish to take it, and then if the comments remain the same, I plan to close them off so we can all move on to brighter days.


6:44 AM, September 14, 2006  
Blogger surfer boy said...


I will refer you to a superb article written by a detective in the San Diego police force. This man knows the score. His name is Phil Worts. He describes what you have to go through with the LAPD. Notice that he describes the police as "an army of useful idiots." I would encourage you to very carefully study and research what he has to say. He gives his email address so you can correspond with him. Read article at http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm

Will dismiss this police detective as a kook as well?

12:43 AM, September 15, 2006  
Blogger Pecadillo said...

Surfer Boy

I understand that Freddy wants this discussion to end soon and since this is his blog, I'm trying to respectfully abide by his wishes. However, in reference to your last comment, you know, the one where you only had the courage to quote someone else as a way to call me a "useful idiot"? Yeah, that one. I gotta tell you, it kind of came out of nowhere. There we were having a nice little chat about moon landings and Sasquatch, and all of a sudden, you link to a Detective as some kind of proof that (since I'm a Police Officer) I'm a moron and can't possibly understand what I do or say.

I gotta tell you, that guy you linked to is interesting. You say he "knows the score" and he appears to be a believer. That's just super. Well after seeding through his little equations about Police and Marxism, it's clear that he seems to think that community policing should be less about just stopping and arresting criminals, and more about improving the morals and ethics of the families that officers come into contact with. You'd think that, as a believer, he'd understand that morals and ethics amount to nothing when the person in question is going to hell.

When I come into contact with morally bankrupt, unbelieving criminals, my job is to arrest them and get them off the street, not to give them a little pep talk about ethics. Even as a Christian, I care little about the moral values of the people I arrest, I care about their salvation. I could talk to a gangster about the value of rules or respect for elders until I'm blue in the face. But that's not going to stop his criminal behavior because that's not why he's a criminal. He's a criminal because he's a sinner and he lacks the ability to stop sinning until he's saved from damnation. That's what matters; Salvation, not an increase in superficial morals or conscience. As a believer, you should know this.

Go look at Romans 13 and then come try to talk to me about my job.

I am glad that you linked to that guy; it was nice to see where you lift your thoughts about Hegel.

Surfer Boy, are you that guy that keeps showing up at Grace Community Church passing out fliers filled with inane conspiracy theories?

6:21 PM, September 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be sure to check out the book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” due out in March by Dr. David Ray Griffin.



6:34 PM, January 29, 2007  
Blogger Fred Butler said...

Oh, I am sure it will be a thorough and scholarly rebuttal to the PopMech book, especially the actually engineering aspects of the two towers collapsing. I mean, it will be written by a "Dr" of philosophy and religion and someone who's a leading figure in the postmodernist thought of process theology. You can't get any more expert than that.


8:09 PM, January 29, 2007  
Blogger Carl said...

Conspiracy theorists routinely violate Occam's Razor and as such their conspiracies are rendered moot.

With that said and for whatever it is worth, I posted the tribute to Touri Hamzavi Bolourchi that I originally created last year as a participant in Project 2996. If anyone is interested, my tribute can be viewed at http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/?p=1139 and I wouldn't mind if a comment or two were left by folks visiting.

6:02 AM, September 12, 2007  

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